David
I respect your opinion, otherwise I wouldn't post this. However, I find your
argument a little naive. As this discussion barely applies to a list
supposedly dedicated to Sun Cobalt SECURITY, I will keep it brief.
Sun have some major problems to deal with right now, principally that they
are a Hardware company who have lost their way in the Software arena. Sun
are becoming more and more vulnerable due to their addiction to fighting M$
in the courts and the popular consciousness.
I base all my applications on JAVA as it is a thoroughbred OO language which
is difficult to fault. I want JAVA to flourish as much as the next
developer, I want to it retain its core principles and as such all legal
action to ensure that is welcome.
Sun have traditionally been able to extract large premiums for shiny
hardware. This has given them the margins to experiment with, and we are
beneficiaries of this innovation. JAVA, NFS, LDAP to mention a few.
Sun has dominated the Unix environment due to this Hardware / R&D equation
which was based on its dominance/margins in the hardware space. Software
rarely delivers hardware margins (unless you are the Beast).
Sun now has to compete with Intel hardware which can deliver the same
performance as the Sun high-end kit. People like you and me now extract
better performance from our edgy Intel based kit than we were ever allowed
with our Solaris based heavy iron.
Sun is spending all its money extending its software platforms such as Sun
ONE, they are trying to compete with a software giant to control a software
space that is changing and even performs better on others hardware. At the
same time their stock has continued to fall as it pays less attention to its
own hardware products, buying Cobalt was a good strategic move but
integration has been painful between two disparate ideologies.
Lets really make JAVA fly on pure performance, bring MAJC back to the fore,
let Tremblay off the leash, their stock would jump on the promise of a new
direction on Hardware/software performance equipment.
Sun's future is based on their past successful principles. Give the world
leadership with systems that blaze past the competition with reliable
transactions and in particular hardware optimization. M$ is going to screw
up everything they try to do in this space anyway, best to leave them to
their own fate.
M$ will remain the world's biggest joke, just one that few laugh at, yet.
Sun shouldn't join them to beat them, they should get out of the trenches
and make for higher ground. The market awaits.
On 5/11/02 22:51, David Smulsky at dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> SUN doesnt rely on JAVA as its lifeline to stay in business, they are so
> huge and diverse now that really a monster like that couldnt even be
> overcomed by M$' but like any company should, protect whats theirs.
>
> Dave Smulsky
> Senior Network Admin
>
> dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.thehostworks.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Jacobs" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <cobalt-security@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [cobalt-security] sun and microsoft
>
>
> Sun has no choice.. or go out of business
>
>
> At 01:16 PM 11/5/2002, you wrote:
>> Why shouldnt they, M$ is using, and trying to control JAVA in a
monoplistic
>> way, which should not be done.
>>
>> Dave Smulsky
>> Senior Network Admin
>>
>> dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> www.thehostworks.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul Jacobs" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <cobalt-security@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [cobalt-security] sun and microsoft
>>
>>
>> At 12:32 PM 11/5/2002, you wrote:
>>> that is true, but the idea of m$ controling most aspects of the internet
>> and
>>> the langauge it uses just makes me wanna dig a hole and bury myself, we
> all
>>> know that m$ can be a monster and from time to time get very greedy.
>>>
>>
>> SUN is trying to be very greedy, with all the lawsuits like java, the one
>> below, and others.
>>
>>
>>> Dave Smulsky
>>> Senior Network Admin
>>>
>>> dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> www.thehostworks.com
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Paul Jacobs" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <cobalt-security@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [cobalt-security] sun and microsoft
>>>
>>>
>>> At 12:13 PM 11/5/2002, you wrote:
>>>> Heck no, M$ has deserves what they have coming to them, im fully behind
>> sun
>>>>
>>>> Dave Smulsky
>>>> Senior Network Admin
>>>>
>>>> dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> www.thehostworks.com
>>>
>>> Thats cool, I love to see the blind leading the blind....
>>> Linux is competing with MS and that's something sun also said would never
>>> happen.
>>>
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Paul Jacobs" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <cobalt-security@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:03 PM
>>>> Subject: [cobalt-security] sun and microsoft
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SUN VOWS TO KEEP MICROSOFT SUIT ALIVE
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, one of Microsoft's most tenacious rivals, Sun Microsystems,
>>>> vowed to keep fighting Microsoft with a billion-dollar lawsuit and
> urged
>>>> the state's attorney general to appeal their antitrust case despite a
>> legal
>>>> setback.
>>>> http://cl.com.com/Click?q=1e-JQ4LI4jBx9j77wZQPdDrL22qRdA6
>>>>
>>>> Will someone please tell sun they lost.... Damm they are acting like
>> little
>>>> kids.
>>>>
./Declan
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